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Kawai SX-240 Review

synthfanatic
Reposted from www.safebra.co.uk

When you first load the thing up it's got real crap preset sounds.  They tried to emulate the cheesy 80's Van Halen "Jump" sounds with a lot of other sub par sounds.  They also tried to create sounds similar to other manufacturers that had similar synths in competition: Roland Juno 60/106/JX3P, or Korg Polysix. Then you start getting into the programming and start fiddling around and realize it's like a cheaper version of the Elka Synthex.  Man it's lush!

Some thoughts so far:

The Good

*  It's multitimbral so you can layer 2 analog patches on top of each other.  This is especially great if you have 2 pads with different lush tones over
    one another.  It sounds completely filmic.  It's also great for creating more evolving/complex tones than most polysynths.  Very unique sound!

*  The chorus is so perfect, I reckon it sounds good if not better than the one on the Juno 60 which I used to own.  

*  Good industrial design.  Has the faux wood sides, and multi-colored LEDs (green, red, yellow) and a insanely-great red LED that looks like      
    K.I.T.T. from Knight Rider.  The font makes it trippy and unique.  

*  Good simple sequencer from which to program some quick ideas.  Tried hooking it up to the TR-606 and they sync perfectly.

*  Has a Low-Pass Filter/Hi-Pass Filter which you can use in conjunction to get really interesting vocal sounds and some acid tones.  Dedicated
    Envelope for the VCF.

*  Interesting Oscillator options and Polymodes.  Has 2 DCO's but you can use Poly-4 mode and Monomode.  Has chord memory feature.

The Bad:

*  No option to mix the different Oscillator and Sound sources in terms of percentage.  There are only simple on/off modes except for the exception
    of the noise generator.

*  Only an Alpha Dial.  Easy to edit parameters quickly, but not as great as having dedicated knobs and sliders at your fingertips.
    You can however route the LFO or Filter Cutoff/Resonance to the pitch bender.

*  No ultra complex modulation techniques here.  There's no Oscillator Sync, Cross-Modulation between the Oscillators, or any more complex
    analog synthesis features like ring modulators or S&H

Still overall I say a amazing find and an amazing unique polysynth especially for under $1000!  I don't think there's anything else in the price range that comes close and it's definitely best in class.  Definitely a unique synthesizer that's capable of synths that cost way more.  I read that there are less than 1000 in existence and that they are quite rare.  If people only had an opportunity to a) first play the synth in person and b) spend some time messing with synth to open it up to what it's possible of.

Best Regards,
Synthfanatic


     
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Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Rembert De Tems
I have been looking to pick up a couple of these for a while. How much did you end up paying for it and do you know of any others for sale? Its funny that you mentioned the presets because we used several of them extensively on a prog rock project a while back. Also have a bit of an obsession with the Teisco 110-F which is a really great keyboard as well. I dont think the elka synthex has anything on the kawai stuff from back in the 80's. The SX-240 just sounds so much better. There were some runmors back in the day that Teisco may have infringed on some patents by Arp and Moog. I never bought that though because the sound of the Kawai is so unique.

>Reposted from www.safebra.co.uk
>
>When you first load the thing up it's got real crap preset sounds. They
>tried to emulate the cheesy 80's Van Halen "Jump" sounds with a lot of
>other sub par sounds. They also tried to create sounds similar to other
>manufacturers that had similar synths in competition: Roland Juno
60/106 >/JX3P, or Korg Polysix. Then you start getting into the
programming and >start fiddling around and realize it's like a cheaper
version of the Elka >Synthex. Man it's lush!

>
>Some thoughts so far:
>
>The Good
>
>* It's multitimbral so you can layer 2 analog patches on top of each
>other. This is especially great if you have 2 pads with different lush
>tones over
>one another. It sounds completely filmic. It's also great for creating
>more evolving/complex tones than most polysynths. Very unique sound!
>
>*  The chorus is so perfect, I reckon it sounds good if not better than >the one on the Juno 60 which I used to own.
>
>* Good industrial design. Has the faux wood sides, and multi-colored
LEDs >(green, red, yellow) and a insanely-great red LED that looks like

>K.I.T.T. from Knight Rider.  The font makes it trippy and unique.
>
>*  Good simple sequencer from which to program some quick ideas.  Tried >hooking it up to the TR-606 and they sync perfectly.
>
>* Has a Low-Pass Filter/Hi-Pass Filter which you can use in conjunction
>to get really interesting vocal sounds and some acid tones. Dedicated
>Envelope for the VCF.
>
>* Interesting Oscillator options and Polymodes. Has 2 DCO's but you can
>use Poly-4 mode and Monomode. Has chord memory feature.
>
>The Bad:
>
>* No option to mix the different Oscillator and Sound sources in terms
of >percentage. There are only simple on/off modes except for the
exception

>of the noise generator.
>
>* Only an Alpha Dial. Easy to edit parameters quickly, but not as great
>as having dedicated knobs and sliders at your fingertips.
>You can however route the LFO or Filter Cutoff/Resonance to the pitch >bender.
>
>* No ultra complex modulation techniques here. There's no Oscillator
>Sync, Cross-Modulation between the Oscillators, or any more complex
>analog synthesis features like ring modulators or S&H
>
>Still overall I say a amazing find and an amazing unique polysynth
>especially for under $1000! I don't think there's anything else in the
>price range that comes close and it's definitely best in class.
>Definitely a unique synthesizer that's capable of synths that cost way
>more. I read that there are less than 1000 in existence and that they
are >quite rare. If people only had an opportunity to a) first play the
synth >in person and b) spend some time messing with synth to open it up
to what >it's possible of.
>
>Best Regards,
>Synthfanatic


     
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Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Jon Johnson-4
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So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I heard Kawai made crappy synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with the K5000 before and it was pretty deep.  I don't think that they could beat Arp or Moog.  It surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the best polysynths ever made I've been told.  
Jon Johnson

>I have been looking to pick up a couple of these for a while. How much did you end up paying for it and do you know of any others for sale? Its funny that you >mentioned the presets because we used several of them extensively on a prog rock project a while back. Also have a bit of an obsession with the Teisco 110-F which >is a really great keyboard as well. I dont think the elka synthex has anything on the kawai stuff from back in the 80's. The SX-240 just sounds so much better. There >were some runmors back in the day that Teisco may have infringed on some patents by Arp and Moog. I never bought that though because the sound of the Kawai is >so unique

     
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Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

paul seavers
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I have played with the Kawai SX-240 before and must admit that it's one of
the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the Jupiter 8 I own, it's
probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all time.  The review was
well written and I think that most folks on this list have no clue about how
great this synth really is because it is rather rare.  It amazes me that
they can be had for so cheap given the features and its mindblowing sound.
I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a decade ago, and haven't
seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai didn't market the
synth to the right folks and by that time it was already too late. Demand
was low back then and even today folks don't know about this diamond in the
rough.

Anyone else on this list have one?

Paul

>So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I heard Kawai made crappy
synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with the K5000 before and
it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could beat Arp or Moog.  It
surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the best polysynths ever
made I've been told.
>>Jon Johnson
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Doug Terrebonne
I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is certainly not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series but with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I still have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since it has a button for every parameter.

Doug

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
> I have played with the Kawai SX-240
> before and must admit that it's one of
> the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
> Jupiter 8 I own, it's
> probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
> time.  The review was
> well written and I think that most folks on this list have
> no clue about how
> great this synth really is because it is rather rare. 
> It amazes me that
> they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
> mindblowing sound.
> I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
> decade ago, and haven't
> seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
> didn't market the
> synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
> too late. Demand
> was low back then and even today folks don't know about
> this diamond in the
> rough.
>
> Anyone else on this list have one?
>
> Paul
>
> >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
> heard Kawai made crappy
> synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
> the K5000 before and
> it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
> beat Arp or Moog.  It
> surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
> best polysynths ever
> made I've been told.
> >>Jon Johnson
>
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

paul seavers
I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter 8,
but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the $1000
category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I think
the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
Paul

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is certainly
> not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series but
> with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I still
> have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since it
> has a button for every parameter.
>
> Doug
>
> --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
> > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
> > before and must admit that it's one of
> > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
> > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
> > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
> > time.  The review was
> > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
> > no clue about how
> > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
> > It amazes me that
> > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
> > mindblowing sound.
> > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
> > decade ago, and haven't
> > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
> > didn't market the
> > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
> > too late. Demand
> > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
> > this diamond in the
> > rough.
> >
> > Anyone else on this list have one?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
> > heard Kawai made crappy
> > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
> > the K5000 before and
> > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
> > beat Arp or Moog.  It
> > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
> > best polysynths ever
> > made I've been told.
> > >>Jon Johnson
> >
>
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

matrix-8
Here's a couple of vids for those interested:

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search?q=sx-240+youtube

There was one more that was exceptional, but I can't find it at the moment.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter 8,
> but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the $1000
> category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
> this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I
> think
> the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is
> certainly
> > not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series but
> > with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I still
> > have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since it
> > has a button for every parameter.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
> > > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
> > > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
> > > before and must admit that it's one of
> > > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
> > > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
> > > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
> > > time.  The review was
> > > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
> > > no clue about how
> > > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
> > > It amazes me that
> > > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
> > > mindblowing sound.
> > > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
> > > decade ago, and haven't
> > > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
> > > didn't market the
> > > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
> > > too late. Demand
> > > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
> > > this diamond in the
> > > rough.
> > >
> > > Anyone else on this list have one?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
> > > heard Kawai made crappy
> > > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
> > > the K5000 before and
> > > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
> > > beat Arp or Moog.  It
> > > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
> > > best polysynths ever
> > > made I've been told.
> > > >>Jon Johnson
> > >
> >
>



--

cheers,
matrix
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

matrix-8
In reply to this post by paul seavers
Here's a couple of vids for anyone interested:

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search?q=sx-240+youtube

There was one other that was exceptionally well done, but I can't find it.
I'll post back if I do.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter 8,
> but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the $1000
> category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
> this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I
> think
> the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is
> certainly
> > not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series but
> > with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I still
> > have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since it
> > has a button for every parameter.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
> > > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
> > > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
> > > before and must admit that it's one of
> > > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
> > > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
> > > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
> > > time.  The review was
> > > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
> > > no clue about how
> > > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
> > > It amazes me that
> > > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
> > > mindblowing sound.
> > > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
> > > decade ago, and haven't
> > > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
> > > didn't market the
> > > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
> > > too late. Demand
> > > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
> > > this diamond in the
> > > rough.
> > >
> > > Anyone else on this list have one?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
> > > heard Kawai made crappy
> > > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
> > > the K5000 before and
> > > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
> > > beat Arp or Moog.  It
> > > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
> > > best polysynths ever
> > > made I've been told.
> > > >>Jon Johnson
> > >
> >
>



--

cheers,
matrix
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

matrix-8
Here's a vid with the SX-210
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/12/kawai-sx-210-synthesizer.html


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Here's a couple of vids for anyone interested:
>
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search?q=sx-240+youtube
>
> There was one other that was exceptionally well done, but I can't find it.
> I'll post back if I do.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter 8,
>> but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the
>> $1000
>> category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
>> this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I
>> think
>> the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
>> Paul
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is
>> certainly
>> > not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series
>> but
>> > with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I still
>> > have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since
>> it
>> > has a button for every parameter.
>> >
>> > Doug
>> >
>> > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
>> > > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
>> > > To: [hidden email]
>> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
>> > > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
>> > > before and must admit that it's one of
>> > > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
>> > > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
>> > > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
>> > > time.  The review was
>> > > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
>> > > no clue about how
>> > > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
>> > > It amazes me that
>> > > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
>> > > mindblowing sound.
>> > > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
>> > > decade ago, and haven't
>> > > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
>> > > didn't market the
>> > > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
>> > > too late. Demand
>> > > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
>> > > this diamond in the
>> > > rough.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone else on this list have one?
>> > >
>> > > Paul
>> > >
>> > > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
>> > > heard Kawai made crappy
>> > > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
>> > > the K5000 before and
>> > > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
>> > > beat Arp or Moog.  It
>> > > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
>> > > best polysynths ever
>> > > made I've been told.
>> > > >>Jon Johnson
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> cheers,
> matrix
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>



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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

matrix-8
Found the other SX-240 vid.  Don't miss this one.
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/09/kawai-sx-240-analog-synth.html

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:58 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Here's a vid with the SX-210
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/12/kawai-sx-210-synthesizer.html
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Here's a couple of vids for anyone interested:
>>
>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search?q=sx-240+youtube
>>
>> There was one other that was exceptionally well done, but I can't find
>> it.  I'll post back if I do.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter
>>> 8,
>>> but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the
>>> $1000
>>> category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
>>> this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I
>>> think
>>> the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is
>>> certainly
>>> > not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series
>>> but
>>> > with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I
>>> still
>>> > have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since
>>> it
>>> > has a button for every parameter.
>>> >
>>> > Doug
>>> >
>>> > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
>>> > > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
>>> > > To: [hidden email]
>>> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
>>> > > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
>>> > > before and must admit that it's one of
>>> > > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
>>> > > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
>>> > > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
>>> > > time.  The review was
>>> > > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
>>> > > no clue about how
>>> > > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
>>> > > It amazes me that
>>> > > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
>>> > > mindblowing sound.
>>> > > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
>>> > > decade ago, and haven't
>>> > > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
>>> > > didn't market the
>>> > > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
>>> > > too late. Demand
>>> > > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
>>> > > this diamond in the
>>> > > rough.
>>> > >
>>> > > Anyone else on this list have one?
>>> > >
>>> > > Paul
>>> > >
>>> > > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
>>> > > heard Kawai made crappy
>>> > > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
>>> > > the K5000 before and
>>> > > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
>>> > > beat Arp or Moog.  It
>>> > > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
>>> > > best polysynths ever
>>> > > made I've been told.
>>> > > >>Jon Johnson
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> cheers,
>> matrix
>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> cheers,
> matrix
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>



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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

paul seavers
Makes me want to make a new video cause I don't think those videos do it
justice.  It is really capable of making lusher sounds.
Paul

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Found the other SX-240 vid.  Don't miss this one.
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/09/kawai-sx-240-analog-synth.html
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:58 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Here's a vid with the SX-210
>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/12/kawai-sx-210-synthesizer.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a couple of vids for anyone interested:
>>>
>>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search?q=sx-240+youtube
>>>
>>> There was one other that was exceptionally well done, but I can't find
>>> it.  I'll post back if I do.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, paul seavers <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter
>>>> 8,
>>>> but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the
>>>> $1000
>>>> category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
>>>> this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I
>>>> think
>>>> the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is
>>>> certainly
>>>> > not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series
>>>> but
>>>> > with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I
>>>> still
>>>> > have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since
>>>> it
>>>> > has a button for every parameter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Doug
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
>>>> > > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
>>>> > > To: [hidden email]
>>>> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
>>>> > > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
>>>> > > before and must admit that it's one of
>>>> > > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
>>>> > > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
>>>> > > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
>>>> > > time.  The review was
>>>> > > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
>>>> > > no clue about how
>>>> > > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
>>>> > > It amazes me that
>>>> > > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
>>>> > > mindblowing sound.
>>>> > > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
>>>> > > decade ago, and haven't
>>>> > > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
>>>> > > didn't market the
>>>> > > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
>>>> > > too late. Demand
>>>> > > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
>>>> > > this diamond in the
>>>> > > rough.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Anyone else on this list have one?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Paul
>>>> > >
>>>> > > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
>>>> > > heard Kawai made crappy
>>>> > > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
>>>> > > the K5000 before and
>>>> > > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
>>>> > > beat Arp or Moog.  It
>>>> > > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
>>>> > > best polysynths ever
>>>> > > made I've been told.
>>>> > > >>Jon Johnson
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> matrix
>>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> cheers,
>> matrix
>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> cheers,
> matrix
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

synthfanatic
Yes I have never personally played with this keyboard but I have heard both good and bad things.  I simply reposted the review.  Folks who love it seem to have a reason why, while other folks say it's a cheap knock-off.  At this point though it seems like a keyboard I really want to try just to see what is so special.  Just from the specs alone, it seems way more capable than a JX3P or Juno-60/Juno-106 from the fact it has 8 voices and is multitimbral.  Also the fact it is all analog (digitall controlled vcos) makes it very interesting.  Does anyone else have much of an opinion who has had the opportunity to have played this before?  

John




________________________________
From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
To: matrix <[hidden email]>
Cc: Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Makes me want to make a new video cause I don't think those videos do it
justice.  It is really capable of making lusher sounds.
Paul

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Found the other SX-240 vid.  Don't miss this one.
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/09/kawai-sx-240-analog-synth.html
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:58 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Here's a vid with the SX-210
>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/12/kawai-sx-210-synthesizer.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a couple of vids for anyone interested:
>>>
>>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search?q=sx-240+youtube
>>>
>>> There was one other that was exceptionally well done, but I can't find
>>> it.  I'll post back if I do.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, paul seavers <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter
>>>> 8,
>>>> but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the
>>>> $1000
>>>> category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
>>>> this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I
>>>> think
>>>> the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is
>>>> certainly
>>>> > not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series
>>>> but
>>>> > with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I
>>>> still
>>>> > have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since
>>>> it
>>>> > has a button for every parameter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Doug
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
>>>> > > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
>>>> > > To: [hidden email]
>>>> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
>>>> > > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
>>>> > > before and must admit that it's one of
>>>> > > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
>>>> > > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
>>>> > > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
>>>> > > time.  The review was
>>>> > > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
>>>> > > no clue about how
>>>> > > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
>>>> > > It amazes me that
>>>> > > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
>>>> > > mindblowing sound.
>>>> > > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
>>>> > > decade ago, and haven't
>>>> > > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
>>>> > > didn't market the
>>>> > > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
>>>> > > too late. Demand
>>>> > > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
>>>> > > this diamond in the
>>>> > > rough.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Anyone else on this list have one?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Paul
>>>> > >
>>>> > > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
>>>> > > heard Kawai made crappy
>>>> > > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
>>>> > > the K5000 before and
>>>> > > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
>>>> > > beat Arp or Moog.  It
>>>> > > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
>>>> > > best polysynths ever
>>>> > > made I've been told.
>>>> > > >>Jon Johnson
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> matrix
>>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> cheers,
>> matrix
>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> cheers,
> matrix
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
>



     
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RE: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Jon Johnson-4

I am skeptical.  If the Kawai SX-240 were really that good, wouldn't we already have heard about it by now?  I thought K5000 was deep, but I prefer FS1R for those sounds.  

Jon


> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:10:45 -0700
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> CC: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
>
> Yes I have never personally played with this keyboard but I have heard both good and bad things.  I simply reposted the review.  Folks who love it seem to have a reason why, while other folks say it's a cheap knock-off.  At this point though it seems like a keyboard I really want to try just to see what is so special.  Just from the specs alone, it seems way more capable than a JX3P or Juno-60/Juno-106 from the fact it has 8 voices and is multitimbral.  Also the fact it is all analog (digitall controlled vcos) makes it very interesting.  Does anyone else have much of an opinion who has had the opportunity to have played this before?  
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
> To: matrix <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:19:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
>
> Makes me want to make a new video cause I don't think those videos do it
> justice.  It is really capable of making lusher sounds.
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Found the other SX-240 vid.  Don't miss this one.
> > http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/09/kawai-sx-240-analog-synth.html
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:58 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Here's a vid with the SX-210
> >> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/12/kawai-sx-210-synthesizer.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM, matrix <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here's a couple of vids for anyone interested:
> >>>
> >>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search?q=sx-240+youtube
> >>>
> >>> There was one other that was exceptionally well done, but I can't find
> >>> it.  I'll post back if I do.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, paul seavers <[hidden email]>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  I agree it's not a Jupiter
> >>>> 8,
> >>>> but I think it has a way better sound than most polysynths  under the
> >>>> $1000
> >>>> category.  I've owned Akai AX 60/80, Juno 60/106, JX3P, and Polysix, and
> >>>> this is way better.  I do like the knobs sliders on the Juno 60, but I
> >>>> think
> >>>> the SX-240 blows it out of the water sound-wise.
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Doug Terrebonne <[hidden email]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > I had one. It is pretty good for $250-400 they went for but it is
> >>>> certainly
> >>>> > not in the Synthex/Jupiter class. It is similar to Roland's JX series
> >>>> but
> >>>> > with 2 extra voices. I'd take a JX-3P or JX-10 over it honestly. I
> >>>> still
> >>>> > have its non-MIDI forerunner the SX-210. It is easier to program since
> >>>> it
> >>>> > has a button for every parameter.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Doug
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, paul seavers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > From: paul seavers <[hidden email]>
> >>>> > > Subject: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
> >>>> > > To: [hidden email]
> >>>> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07 PM
> >>>> > > I have played with the Kawai SX-240
> >>>> > > before and must admit that it's one of
> >>>> > > the best synths I've ever played.  Short of the
> >>>> > > Jupiter 8 I own, it's
> >>>> > > probably my favorite polyphonic synthesizer of all
> >>>> > > time.  The review was
> >>>> > > well written and I think that most folks on this list have
> >>>> > > no clue about how
> >>>> > > great this synth really is because it is rather rare.
> >>>> > > It amazes me that
> >>>> > > they can be had for so cheap given the features and its
> >>>> > > mindblowing sound.
> >>>> > > I've only seen one before.  I purchased mine over a
> >>>> > > decade ago, and haven't
> >>>> > > seen another besides my own in that timeframe.  Kawai
> >>>> > > didn't market the
> >>>> > > synth to the right folks and by that time it was already
> >>>> > > too late. Demand
> >>>> > > was low back then and even today folks don't know about
> >>>> > > this diamond in the
> >>>> > > rough.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Anyone else on this list have one?
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Paul
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > >So I have never heard of the Kawai SX-240.  I
> >>>> > > heard Kawai made crappy
> >>>> > > synths but I am maybe wrong?  I have only played with
> >>>> > > the K5000 before and
> >>>> > > it was pretty deep.  I don't think that >they could
> >>>> > > beat Arp or Moog.  It
> >>>> > > surely can't be as good as Elka Synthex.  One of the
> >>>> > > best polysynths ever
> >>>> > > made I've been told.
> >>>> > > >>Jon Johnson
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> matrix
> >>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> matrix
> >> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > cheers,
> > matrix
> > http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com
> >
>
>
>
>      

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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Tomislav Babic
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM, John Smythe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes I have never personally played with this keyboard but I have heard both
> good and bad things.  I simply reposted the review.  Folks who love it seem
> to have a reason why, while other folks say it's a cheap knock-off.  At this
> point though it seems like a keyboard I really want to try just to see what
> is so special.  Just from the specs alone, it seems way more capable than a
> JX3P or Juno-60/Juno-106 from the fact it has 8 voices and is multitimbral.
>  Also the fact it is all analog (digitall controlled vcos) makes it very
> interesting.  Does anyone else have much of an opinion who has had the
> opportunity to have played this before?
>
> John
>
>

id like to try it. i mean SSM filters are a big plus. always rare-ish in
poly world, vco or dco. probably a good combo
with an ensemble/chorus type of processing.

but lack of any deeper modulation capability like oscillator sync or
crossmod(fm) is a real downer. JX series are
DCO but have all these functions, and then some.. like routing the slaved
osc pitch to an envelope, or velocity..
Roland really did a good job.  not to mention Matrix6/1000 with filter fm
etc..

is the mentioned HPF separate from the LP, as in Rolands, or its actually
just a single LP and HP capable filter, therefore modulatable by env/lfo etc
?

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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Cord
In reply to this post by synthfanatic

From: Tomislav Babic [hidden email],

but lack of any deeper modulation capability like oscillator sync or
crossmod(fm) is a real downer.

There is no crossmodulation with DCOs. The Rolands are using a ring  
modulator AS DOES THE SX-240. No Sync though. You need to play with  
one before posting nonsense.

Cord
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Florian Anwander-2
Hi Cord

> There is no crossmodulation with DCOs. The Rolands are using a ring
> modulator AS DOES THE SX-240. No Sync though. You need to play with one
> before posting nonsense.
Seems to be valid for you too: The Roland-JX-Series do not have a ring
modulator. What roland calls "metallic" is in fact a something which is
possible only with a DCO. The saw core capacitor is reset by the trigger
of both programmable dividers, but there is no reset of the divider of
the slave DCO as it would happen at hard-sync. From the technical point
of view you might call it some half hearted synchronisation.

I cannot tell it for the SX-240, but it would seems very likely that the
  Kawai engineers did the same.

Florian

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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Gil W.
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I think it was originally developed by Teisco. The first synth I ever got, in 1984, was a SX210. Still have it :)




--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Florian Anwander <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Florian Anwander <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [AH] Re: Kawai SX-240 Review
> To: "Analogue Heaven" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 10:36 AM
> Hi Cord
>
> > There is no crossmodulation with DCOs. The Rolands are
> using a ring modulator AS DOES THE SX-240. No Sync though.
> You need to play with one before posting nonsense.
> Seems to be valid for you too: The Roland-JX-Series do not
> have a ring
> modulator. What roland calls "metallic" is in fact a
> something which is
> possible only with a DCO. The saw core capacitor is reset
> by the trigger
> of both programmable dividers, but there is no reset of the
> divider of
> the slave DCO as it would happen at hard-sync. From the
> technical point
> of view you might call it some half hearted
> synchronisation.
>
> I cannot tell it for the SX-240, but it would seems very
> likely that the
>  Kawai engineers did the same.
>
> Florian
>
>


     
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Re: Re: Kawai SX-240 Review

Cord
In reply to this post by synthfanatic
Florian,

the Kawai doesn't sound like real ring modulation either, but the  
manual says the following:

When ON, the BRASS function combines the DCO1 and DCO2 outputs to  
produce a new tone which then may be adjusted with the COARSE  
parameter. This is sometimes referred to as "ring modulation" effect.

Take it for what is worth. BTW, the Roland JX-3P manual says about  
METAL: By controlling the DCO1 with the output signal from the DCO2,  
ring modulation style sound can be obtained.

I guess the not-so-technical person can call it ring modulation, or?

Cord


P.S.: On the other hand, the manual of the JX-8P talks about the X  
MOD: DCO1 and DCO2 affect each other pitch, harmonic contents, and  
waveform.



From: Florian Anwander [hidden email],

<Seems to be valid for you too: The Roland-JX-Series do not have a ring
<modulator. What roland calls "metallic" is in fact a something which is
<possible only with a DCO. The saw core capacitor is reset by the  
trigger
<of both programmable dividers, but there is no reset of the divider of
<the slave DCO as it would happen at hard-sync. From the technical point
<of view you might call it some half hearted synchronisation.
<
<I cannot tell it for the SX-240, but it would seems very likely that  
the
<Kawai engineers did the same.
<
<Florian

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Florian Anwander-2
Hi Cord

Owners-Manuals are ...eeehm... influenced by the marketing department (I
wrote several manuals)

 > P.S.: On the other hand, the manual of the JX-8P talks about the
 > X MOD: DCO1 and DCO2 affect each other pitch, harmonic contents,
 > and waveform.
Also authors of owners manuals do lie ;-) the truth is written in the
schematics (you may try it on your own: the pitch is kept in the JX8P
and JX3P).


> I guess the not-so-technical person can call it ring modulation, or?
The not-so-technical person might mismatch it with amplitude modulation,
because as in AM the original frequencies are kept. In the ringmodulator
the original frequencies would get canceled. It sounds completely different.

Florian